Addressing Some Misunderstandings & Questions

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.:.I don’t have any social media, so I have no idea what’s going on, about anything. But from reading Thormynd’s recent uploads over at archive dot org, I see my name has been brought up regarding a few misconceptions/misunderstandings. I’ve also been asked by several people what I feel or think about current events/rumors regarding alleged/accused “informants” in o9a. And so, I’ll address those topics all here in one place.

But first: I’m not White. Which is to say that I was not raised in White American culture. I was born and raised in upper-class Thai/Chinese/Khmer Buddhist culture. And so my mothers and family did not raise me a liar. As an upper-class person of my culture, I was raised to be an honorable person with integrity. And one of the 5 Precepts of Buddhism is not to lie. And so, I am by default an honest person. I also value critical thinking since it is important in Buddhism and Natural Philosophy. I also value Reason and Rational Objective Thinking. Which all means that what answers to questions and misunderstandings I may give/provide may not always be liked by those in and out of o9a. Because people in o9a have their agendas and propaganda, and people out of o9a – such as Leftist journalists and blogtalk radio personalities have their own views and opinions and assumptions of things. I’m hoping that those of you who have known me since 2007 or those of you who have been around o9a for a while know that I am a Realist [I keep shit real], Objectivist, and that I try to be honest.

I’ll address the misunderstandings and questions in a Q & A format:

Q1. Is this site the official site of the Order of Nine Angles?

A2. No this site is not the official site of the Order of Nine Angles. The closest thing to an official site of the o9a was NINEANGLES.INFO, which is today defunct, but was archived by the Way Back Machine. Before that website went down, I made a copy of it in PDF format and uploaded it to archive dot org, like over a decade ago.

Why do I say that was the closest thing to the o9a’s official website? Because it was owned and operated by the “Old Guards.” And those Old Guards are personally known [face to face / person to person] to David Myatt / Anton Long. If you are the type of fag who needs authority, a leader, something official to point fingers at, if you need testicles to swing on: be intelligent and either swing on DM/AL’s nut sack or the nut sacks of the actual people he knows personally [the Old Guards]. And so, if you are looking or needing something official about o9a, the closest official anything are websites and blogs owned by the Old Guards, simply because those Old Guards are actually personally linked to DM/AL.

This is just a random website, which isn’t mine. I don’t even have administrative rights at this website. I’ve told you guys often in Nexion Zine who owns this website. This site was given to o9a as a gift over a decade ago for free. Initially, only I had the password to this site, but I asked that two extra passwords be made and given to two other o9a associates: 1) Saturnyan 352 & 2) DarkLianna.

Q2. Chloe, are you the spokesperson of the Order of Nine Angles?

A2. No. I’m not an official anything and not a spokesperson for o9a. Again, I refer you back to simple Logic/Reason and common sense: DM/AL is the only thing “official” in o9a, because he made it. Therefore Logically, people he knows personally whom he makes into Old Guards are the closest things to being “official” spokespersons – in capacity of such – for the o9a. And currently, the personas associated with TWS Nexion are the Old Guards.

This can be tested by anybody in and out of o9a: say anything or make claims of any kind regarding o9a on the internet, and watch carefully who steps up to argue and debate to keep the o9a a certain way. The Old Guards, the so-called “Inner Circle” of the Order of Nine Angles desires to maintain o9a to be a certain specific way, and anything that contradicts their way gets relentlessly challenged on the internet, and anybody claiming to be the leader of o9a, an adept of o9a, and official spokesperson of o9a will get challenged across cyberspace by the same group of Old Guards.

I’m not a spokesperson for o9a. I don’t speak for o9a or anybody o9a. I can only speak for myself. There are only 3 differences between me and an average o9a person/associate: 1) I write a massive amount of stuff, 2) I have two media [plural of medium] to write shit on: nexion zine and this website, & 3) and I’ve been around o9a since 2006. And so, because of those 3 points, I simply get more exposure than the average o9a person, which means that its simply easier for people to be more aware of me than the average o9a person.

Q3. Chloe, some people in the o9a believe that you are a member of the o9a’s “Inner Circle,” is this true?

A2. No it’s not, and I apologize if things I say regarding the Old Guards I once associated [via the internet & emails] with in the past caused you guys to believe that I was or am. I’m not a member of the “Inner Circle” of the Order of Nine Angles. Why not? For two reasons: 1) DM/AL and his Old Guards are very possessive of o9a, because the o9a is DM/AL’s potential legacy. We all have our agendas, and he has his: to be immortalized in people’s memories, like how Crowley was, how LaVey was, how Aquino was. They don’t like it when anybody challenges that ownership. 2) Does a “subculture” or a “philosophy” have an “inner circle?” That’s a Double Speak Question:

I personally have always seen and believed – since 2006 – that the o9a is dead, having died in 1998 when DM/AL abandoned it to be a shitkicker in Radical Islam, when CB left it, when Michael Ford abandoned it, and when Magister Hagur left it to be a Catholic Priest. What was left were 5000 pages of shit DM/AL and Company had written. Those 5000 pages of written text, now called “The ONA Corpus” was found and picked up by random people who liked it, such as me back in 2006. And so, to me, my personal view is that the o9a simple does not exist, that it is only a body of texts written by DM/AL, and that the ONA Corpus has given birth to a subculture that calls itself today the “Order of Nine Angles.” And so a subculture just simply doesn’t have an “inner circle.” If ONA is a Satanic Philosophy: does a philosophy have an inner circle? Does the philosophy [worldview/model] of atheism, materialism, Buddhism, Wicca, Paganism, Platonism, etc, have “inner circles?” Does the subculture of Surfing, Gaming, Skateboarding, Cowboy stuff [Midwesterners into Cowboy shit and country music] have an “inner circle?”

What’s it called when a person says that o9a is just a philosophy or just a subculture, but then insists that o9a has an inner circle who owns o9a, says what o9a is, says who is and who isn’t o9a? It’s called Philosophical Inconsistency, and also called Equivocation. Equivocation and Philosophical Inconsistency are main components of Mind Games people play. Be very careful of people who use Equivocation and Philosophical Inconsistency, because they are playing games with you.

You see Philosophical Inconsistency coming from many people in o9a. An example of philosophical inconsistency is like I tell Person A: “I am a Lesbian.” And then I tell Person B: “I don’t believe gay people should be allowed to get married.” It’s inconsistent because: how can you be gay [a lesbian], but be against gay marriage? A philosophical inconsistency you see from many o9a people – this happened often in the past – was that they would support Islam, praise islamic culture, encourage the islamification of Europe, but they then say that o9a is not Misogynistic: even though the radical islam they support and praise is inherently a misogynistic culture which actually abuse women.

There was a time when an official of the German Nazi Party got an audience with Hitler in private. In private this official expressed his concern that the Nazi Party was very vague, and that concrete ideas and concepts should be written down. Hitler ended up ridiculing this officer in front of other officers, and said: “There is power in vagueness.” Why? Because when you are vague, you have a lot of leg room to move, back peddle, change your ideas to fit the situation and occasion. Like psychics that always give vague psychics readings are never wrong: a vague person is never wrong, because he can weasel himself to look right. Be very careful with people in o9a who: 1) are always vague with their statements, 2) who vacillate/equivocate [“that’s not what I meant, I meant this.”], & 3) are philosophically inconsistent.

And when it comes to o9a: the Games being played can be very dangerous; I’m alluding to recent events since circa 2018, which I’ll talk about further in a different answer to a different question.

And so, to answer this third question: no I am not a member of the “Inner Circle” of the ONA. I think such a concept as an “Inner Circle” of o9a is silly and philosophically inconsistent: is o9a an organization with a core set of individuals calling the shots or is it a subculture and philosophy? Which is it? The Inner Circle are the Old Guards, those personalities who are known personally to DM/AL. I do not directly or indirectly know DM/AL. I have never interacted or communicated with DM/AL in person, in emails, or in the medium of cyberspace. And so: no, I’m not part of the inner circle of the o9a, and I’m not part of the core group of people in o9a who actually call the shots. All I do, since for a decade is mind my own business and write long essays about Buddhism, my Culture, and Natural Philosophy; and sometimes Satanism. That’s literally all there is to me.

Q4. We’ve noticed that over the years since you have been around o9a that you consistently use “DM/AL,” as if you are saying that David Myatt and Anton Long are the same person. Is this interpretation correct?

A4. My fallible and personal views and opinion: In short, to be honest, and to be frank: yes. My beliefs and views have never changed since 2006. I honestly believe – the key word is BELIEVE – that David Myatt and Anton Long are the same person. For several reasons, and I will briefly go over those reasons:

  1. I’m not retarded. I pay attention to Style of Writing, Nuances in texts and articulation, vocabulary/lexicon, slang, argot, choice of words, choice of wording, sentence structure, fashion of personality expression, culture/habit of thought/thinking, punctuational irregularities, spelling mistakes, and the writer’s voice [if you are a writer, a book author, a poet, journalist, you’ll know what your writer’s voice is]. And using all of those, plus Occam’s Razor [where the answer with the least amount of assumptions is the most likely answer; the quickest path between two points is a straight line, as opposed to a convoluted path]: my opinion, since 2006 has always been that David Myatt and Anton Long are the same individual.
  2. People who genuinely and honestly like the o9a and respect Anton Long, would actually never pretend to be him or use that pen name. For as long as I have been around o9a, I have not known any person in o9a who was disrespectful enough to use the pen name “Anton Long.”
  3. David Myatt and Anton Long think alike. If they are two different people: they are unoriginal and often steal each other’s ideas, words, concepts: and tellingly neither has ever accused the other of plagiarism in 50 years!
  4. One or two old ONA texts were signed with the name “David Myatt” and not “Anton Long,” but were eventually signed by the pen name “Anton Long.”
  5. During all those times that I interacted with the Old Guards via emails and cyberspace, not a single one of them told me that I was in error in believing that David Myatt was Anton Long; and those Old Guards are personally known to Anton Long. In fact, in such emails, we used DM and AL interchangeably, as if all parties involved in the conversation simply understood that the two were the same.
  6. In private conversations, we spoke about DM and AL with the understanding that they were the same person, but in public, we played games with people by saying different things, like Anton Long is a pen name used by multiple people, or that AL was an Oxford professor.

Now, do I have any hard evidence or proof? No I don’t, of course. But I have those 6 points, plus my intuition, plus Occam’s Razor, plus consistency in my belief. And personally, as far as my own person and my own concerns go: that’s all I need. But we all have our agendas of course. I personally believe that a pen name is not enough to help o9a grow, because a pen name has no charm or charisma. I’ve always wanted David Myatt to be associated with o9a, because he is a real person, with real life deeds, with a cool history, who is intelligent, and has charm and charisma which would help o9a grow and inspire people. A pen name is lifeless.

I have other agendas: which is to constantly work on pushing the limits and boundaries of my sphere of influence. It starts off small. It gets bigger. I give myself more bigger challenges. At one time my challenge was to inspire and influence some forum of Satanists in cyberspace. Now, my challenge I’ve given to myself is to slowly push my limits into the bigger arena of society of politics; but aeonically speaking. The o9a is like a mushroom which casts spores into the air. The spores are memes. The one who makes the most future-proof memes spawns the next generation. Old people die: the next generation inherits the world and its nations. Let he who has and ear to hear, understand.

Q5. Are you aware of current events in o9a regarding “informants” and the Tempel ov Blood; and if so, what are your thoughts or feelings on the issue?

A5. Yes, I’m aware that a high profile individual associated with o9a has been ACCUSED of ALLEGEDLY being an informant. But like I said: I’m a rational person who, due to my Buddhism, tries hard to think critically and objectively. And so Objectively speaking: I am only aware of rumors, allegations, and accusations. And such things as rumors, allegations, and/or accusations don’t mean facts. A theory, an hypothesis, a speculation is not a fact. I have no facts on the matter, and so, I have no choice but to refrain from making an opinion about the matter, until facts are produces and made public. Therefore, I also cannot jump to any conclusions. And so, I refrain from making any further comments about this specific matter. Those are my honest Thoughts about that specific matter.

My Feeling/Emotions: I did not always like the Tempel ov Blood or what they represented, or how they wanted to make the o9a to be. Those of you who have been around since 2006-2012 know this.

When I found the o9a back in 2006-2007, it was a tiny group of left-over people from the “hay days” of o9a. The number of people into o9a back then was so small, we all actually knew each other [as in internet friends/associates] and we all congregated in a small Yahoo group. Back then, the o9a was just a form of Satanism to us, a different approach to Satanism; as opposed to the kind LaVey invented or that of Aquino [the Leftist “Satanic Temple” did not yet exist back then]. That’s all it was to me, a school of Satanism. Like how there are three schools of Buddhism: Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana. And being interested in Natural Philosophy, I liked studying the philosophical ideas of David Myatt [the Numinous Way stuff] and Anton Long [the Satanic stuff].

And so, that was all that o9a was to me back then, a small group of associates/friends I made in cyberspace with whom I liked to hang out and work on projects with, a school of Satanism I liked, and a source of philosophical insights which helped me develop myself and my mind. But I love to write and think. And so, eventually, at some point in 2012, many people in o9a accused me of making o9a “soft,” because they wanted o9a to be “hardcore.” What really upset me was that one day, a fiction author had written a fiction book where the author used the ONA in his fiction story, where the fiction book basically made ONA look like a group of murderers and psychotic criminals. A few people in o9a lamented that the real ONA wasn’t anything like the ONA in that book, and that somehow it was all my fault, because my interests in philosophy, Buddhism, blah blah, made ONA all soft. And so I resigned as Outer Representative back in 2012, having turned in my Resignation papers/pdf to an Old Guard. I wrote about my resignation in nexion zine 1.0 way back in 2013. I left the internet and o9a, to take a break, and to heal from a broken heart due to a break up.

When I came back online, Jall of the Tempel ov Blood had become the Outer Representative. And so, from that era – 2013 and on – the Tempel ov Blood had a huge influence on o9a. And at the time, the Old Guards supported them. They or those who took the Tempel ov Blood to an extreme level gradually changed the way the o9a looks and is perceived in the public mind, something more closely resembling the fictitious ONA in that fiction book.

At first, I disliked the way o9a was evolving into under the influence of the Tempel ov Blood. Because I honestly only like o9a for its insights in Satanism, philosophy, and by nature and default: I am a Natural Philosopher. But the Tempel ov Blood, and their ability to market o9a to a new audience helped o9a grow big and helped people in the public talk more about o9a. And in that way, I grew to like and appreciate the Tempel ov Blood.

And so my Objective Feelings/Emotions is that I feel appreciative of the time the ToB spent helping the o9a grow. Because the o9a was and will always be the Brain Child of DM/AL, and whatever we do [those of us in or out of o9a] with o9a ultimately helps o9a grow and live, which is DM/AL’s legacy and body of teachings. Everything that we do ultimately strengthens DM/AL’s name, reputation, and corpus of ideas in the public mind; and I made a simple promise to the Old Guards long ago that I’d spend 30 years to help grow o9a and help make for DM/A: a legacy. And so, I feel that what the ToB has done, in a certain way, is great work which is appreciated honestly.

But I also feel that we each as human beings, must learn our Life Lessons the hard way: Force and Martial behavior, and extremism is powerful indeed, but they are volatile and volatility is momentary and does not last long. What does not last long has no aeonic influence. Like the story of the Rabbit and the Turtle racing each other. Yes Genghis Khan and Alexander The Great used martial force to forge empires, but those empires fell. They don’t last as long as the empires forged by the likes of the Brahmins, the Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad. There is a difference between Soft Power and Hard Power.

The Hard Power of Genghis Khan and Alexander The Great was deadly but what they created fell apart. The Soft Power of the Brahmins, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, which softly converts one human heart at a time, builds empires and civilizations that last 5000 years, 2000 years. And even when the empire and civilization of ancient Greece fell thousands of years ago, the Legacy of their Soft Power – their philosophers, philosophies, world views, art, ethos, still influences us humans and our Western civilization to this day. I honestly believe that the pen is mightier than the sword.

We all have our agendas in ONA. The Tempel ov Blood had and has theirs. I don’t know what those agendas are. But I do know that their form of ONA was volatile, and volatility don’t last long: people become extreme, people go to prison, groups get neutralized: end of game. It’s been like that since DM was a young man running with the neo-nazi groups he was with back then. They sow seeds of discord, do what needs to be done to break up your group, further their careers, and your group becomes defunct.

I also know that America, and it seems the UK also, are currently under a very Leftist Regime. And so, for any regime to hold onto power, they need to play the old “Ordo Ab Chao” game [order out of chaos]. That’s when they themselves manufacture a chaos which upsets or destabilized the public mind, and then they themselves present themselves as the saviour, and they proceed to get rid of the chaos. This Pandemic is a good example of this game being played.

And so a Leftist Regime needs to manufacture Boogeymen to scare the public mind. If it’s not immanent nuclear war, it’s drugs. If it’s not drugs, it’s communists. If it’s not communists, it’s nazis. If it’s not nazis, it’s the Satanic Panic. If it’s not the Satanic Panic, it’s a global pandemic. If it’s not a global pandemic, it’s global warming and only Al Gore and the Leftists can save us. And so, in that sense, the current Leftist Regime, since 2017-2018 has been working overtime – via its agencies – to make random groups – like o9a and the Proud Boys – into evil bad guys. The agents do their thing to further their personal careers, and the Leftist Regime have their boogeymen. It’s unfortunate that o9a and specifically the Tempel ov Blood got caught up in the games of the Leftists. Which is why I pity the fool who does not study or pay mind to Politics: because policies and regimes affect/effect your life. It’s hard to be a philosopher and to disregard politics, because policies are by their very nature ideological and philosophical. And so, if you have a Leftist Regime whose policies are Leftist agendas: then it’s not a surprise that they will seek, via their agents, to make boogeymen out of shit like o9a and right-wing groups. Those are my honest feelings.

But there are Lessons to be learned in all of this: You must be careful what you wish for, because it just might come true. Everyone in o9a back then wished for the o9a to not be soft but to be hardcore, to be like a work of fiction, everyone enthusiastically supported and praised Radical Islam and it’s terrorism. And with the help of Leftist governments and their agents and journalists, you guys got what asked for. And so: I see nothing to cry about. I see nothing wrong with what has happened, with whatever parties may be involved, be they in or out of o9a. But this is because I am a Buddhist, and we Buddhist are taught to understand the Principle of Karma: that every action causes a reaction in life. That what causally has manifested today, was seeded by things we have done, committed, wanted in the past. And so, we have no one to blame except for our own selves. We must – in this causal universe – eat the consequences of our actions.

And so there are two types of people in this world: 1) those that cannot or will not accept personal responsibility for their karmic fruits, where they blame everyone except themselves, and 2) those who accept such responsibility, and work to correct negative karmic fruit. In other words, it how we solve our problems and prevent [pre-emptively] such problems that indicates how intelligent we are.

I’ll end this with a word of warning: There are two types of people that find their way into the o9a subculture [Satanist, occultist, predators, provocateurs, agents, or otherwise]: 1) Those that use o9a & 2) Those that are used. My honest advice to any of you who like o9a is to study it, take what you need from it, and develop yourself or make your own thing. During this Leftist Regime, it’s not safe to stick around and trust people. The 7 Fold Way was intended to be an individualistic path of self-becoming. It’s something you yourself do for your own self on your own time and terms. As such, the 7 Fold Way, and the study of the o9a Corpus, has nothing to do with organizations, groups, leaders, spokespersons, inner circle, outer circle, national representatives, national head quarters, this, that, and the other thing, and so on. Anybody who tells you otherwise is 1) playing games with you & 2) looking for a patsy to do their dirty work, to further their careers, or to make money.




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